but we feel that if, if police are going to be acquiring technology like these drones, there need to be clear rules in place about them getting warrants, too. >> and the sheriff says there would be clear rules, that they would be using them only for specific purposes, natural disasters, to find exit routes out or standoffs in which they need to gather intelligence on where a suspect is. >> and in this case there is a a bit of a word game here, because that was the justification he gave to the city council. but then when you look at the application at documents acquired by us at eff and the aclu, he gave different purposes, things like surveillance and crowd control and that's the sort of thing we're concerned about. >> why? >> why are we concerned about this? >> right. if a police officer is there, they have eyes, doing the same thing. it's a question of where they are. crowd control, if you have a drone overhead and the police are better informed as to which way the crowd is moving or a protest is going down the street, what's bad about that? >> well, we view, we feel that having a